Successor to KGN

[Colonel White]

With the final curtain now closed on WHH it may come to no surprise that work has been being done behind the scenes on a successor to this book. Piers AKA Vince Noir on this forum has been working with Warwick KInrade on a different rulesystem that just owes its lineage to KGN. I do know of one of Warwick's team who has been working on this project but I am not at liberty to give out any more details than what has been said on other forums.

THe new book ( with no definate date release yet ) will be Battlegroup Kursk and is a 20mm rules system for WW2 on the Eastern Front. It is complete self contained rulesbook with army lists contained in it. Price tbc will be far less than KGN. In terms of comparing the rulesystems its a bit like comparing WAB2 and COE but with another step further away from the parent ruleset.

THe photos I believe are going to be out of this world

As details become available I will keep you posted unless of course Piers does this himself as I have noticed there have been no entries in this section since March

[shadegate]

That's excellent news, thanks for the update Colonel.
The first book was a quality product and I'm sure Warwick and associates will pull another winner out of the hat.

Hopefully some of the other rulesets in the WHH stable will be evolved to keep them alive as well.

[Colonel White]

Well there is going to be some sort of big announcement in July in conjunction with a well known producer of 15 and 20mm WW2 models. I wonder what that could be?

[Arken]

Hey Colonel,

This is very welcome news. I had hoped to get into KGN in some form or other, so knowing that there's a continuation in some form or other, and in the same spirit as the original game is just great. Having written my own WWII ruleset I can appreciate whatever is produced to be honest.

I must admit my entire WWII collection does comprise 1/56 minis and vehicles, and although I have a Panzer Grenadier Platoon for FoW I just don't like FoW at all! (the minis are going on eBay soon)

Would the new ruleset still be useable with 28mm scale too? (a re-investment in 20mm minis and vehicles just isn't an option, for me or my mates)

Cheers fella, keep us updated!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Arken

[Colonel White]

Well most games are TBH are multi scale its just a case of rescaling all the measurements etc .

I have been advised by Piers (Vince Noir) on here to collect T34s in 10s. So I think there is going to be a lot of emphasis on tanks and of course Kursk was the largest ever tank battle of which the book is centred around . The infantry rules I hope are going to be a big improvement on KGN which would help you guys who collect 28mm models.

So its a case of wait and see and soon as I here anything on the Guild forum I will place a posting on here.

As a clue to the release date I think its going to be sooner rather than later becasue Peirs has already mentioned that he is hoping to "demo a certain game" at the Bovington Show which is around the beginning of July.

[andyjp]

I'm very interested in this
p.m'd you

[Colonel White]

Well I think it will be a great year for WW2 . THe new FOW rules ( I am not a fan of this system though many many others are) , Warlord's new Bolt Action game and this new Kursk game should make it a great year coupled with plenty of goodies to be released by Plastic Soldier Company in 15 and 20mm .

I can only see positive things coming out of the closure of WHH. I think it will spurr people on to bring out games that are going to be fully supported . We already have Clash of Empires and War and Conquest for Ancients and all being well this (First of many?)new family of WW2 20mm Wargames.

[Colonel White]

Well time is nearly upon us . There is I believe some sort of announcemnt this week. Possibly as early as thursday on TMP and Piers (vince Noire) will be revealing a few details over the course of the weekend Very intersting times for those who follow WW2 but prefer alternatives to the FOW system.

[Colonel White]

Well Battlefield Kursk is ready for Pre Order at Plastic Soldier Company. Price being £30.00 and a Free Stug 3 for the first 500 orders . This is a big improvment of the GW price of £48 for KGN . I believe according to my sources that it is a beautiful book and far superior to the KGN which I thought was first class as well.

I believe that Normandy is going to be the first suplement which I think wasn't in their original plans but is a reaction of WHH closing and KGN now being out of print. Not a bad move IMO but I was hoping the Bulge supplement would have been next.

[Arken]

Well Battlefield Kursk is ready for Pre Order at Plastic Soldier Company. Price being £30.00 and a Free Stug 3 for the first 500 orders . This is a big improvment of the GW price of £48 for KGN . I believe according to my sources that it is a beautiful book and far superior to the KGN which I thought was first class as well.

I believe that Normandy is going to be the first suplement which I think wasn't in their original plans but is a reaction of WHH closing and KGN now being out of print. Not a bad move IMO but I was hoping the Bulge supplement would have been next.

So excited, there's so much out there, and now that Normandy is the first supplment too (I have never, for some unknown reason been into the eastern front side of things, I'm very much a western democracies Vs Hitler type of player (if you understand my crude meaning)

Well I think it will be a great year for WW2 . THe new FOW rules ( I am not a fan of this system though many many others are) , Warlord's new Bolt Action game and this new Kursk game should make it a great year coupled with plenty of goodies to be released by Plastic Soldier Company in 15 and 20mm .

Yes, I agree, and with so many companies vying for pole position on an ever increasing market, the choices are getting better and better (both qualatitivley and quantatively).

I can only see positive things coming out of the closure of WHH. I think it will spurr people on to bring out games that are going to be fully supported . We already have Clash of Empires and War and Conquest for Ancients and all being well this (First of many?)new family of WW2 20mm Wargames.

Sadly you may be correct, but KGN was a great starting point for this new WWII venture, look where its going now! Although I am one of those dirty '28mm' WWII gamers, I don't see me changing down to 20mm any time soon (money, time etc), although I agree it is the 'ideal' scale IMHO. Would a 28 to 20mm conversion be 'that expensive?)

Ark

ps please keep us posted on things, and yes, I never ever liked FoW, BK is a great alternative to that system.

[Colonel White]

Well I have had it confirmed that despite the advertisement on PSC saying otherwise, Normandy is going to be the first offshoot . It will be more than likely a self contained rulebook though this is not cast in stone. The advantages of this system is that you don't need to buy a rulebook containg scenariosor lists that don't interest you.

I think most rules will scale up or down with a bit of tweeking. For my 28s I will be using the Bolt Action rules when released.

I believe the intitial take up of BGK has been pretty good and the success of this book will guage the demand for further books in this series.

[Colonel White]

Well things are looking good on the Battle Group Kursk front with the rulesbook as we speak on target for a September release. THere are some pictures of the Print Proofs on the Guild forum site of which this could be the home of this publication .It must also be noted that it has been designed for 15mm play as well. This could be something to do with the tie in with PSC and will further chip away at the predominance of FOW in this scale.

I will place anothr update as soon as more information comes to light

[Colonel White]

Well I thought I would possibley place the final post on here .

Battlegroup Kursk has at lomg last been released and many thanks to Warwick, Piers and co for the hard work in producing this book. The book itself is probably the nicest rulesbook that has been released for some time .IMo it certainly raises the bar when it come to the quality of the photos etc. Its well worth a look even if you are not into WW2 just to check out the quality.

Expecting to have my first game very soon and in most areas it feels like a MK2 version of KGN. This book is obviously for he Russian front for the campaigns around Kursk ie 1943. Testing has already begun on Battle Group Normandy which will be the true successor to KGN and is anticipated for realease at Salute April 2013 .

I appear to be the last person in this section so I think i will now turn out the light !