New erratas

[alex]

Please follow the link below to get the latest erratas of TGW compiled by myself and Darren Harding of GB fame, and approved by Mike Reardon.

http://www.warhammer-historical.com/PDF/GWerr.pdf

Alex

[armchairviking]

Alex,

Thanks for this. Looks really good. Particularly like the Mark V* additional rule Can this vehicle be counted as a divisional support tank in a 1000 points battalion list?

Now you have added this rule, it would be great if some enterprising manufacturer brings out the model

Just to clarify, does this errata completed supersede the previous one?

Peter

[alex]

Absolutely, it replaces entirely the previous one.

Unless someones proves that I'm wrong the Mark V* is a tank and can be selected as Divisionnal Support.

And yes, I want one!!!! Or two, just in case...

[Plan XVII]

FT-17s should have BS 4+

You sir, have made my day! Still unreliable I guess...

[armchairviking]

Unless someones proves that I'm wrong the Mark V* is a tank and can be selected as Divisionnal Support.

Just to be clear, obviously the Mark V* is a tank, I just thought as it was quite specialist it might not qualify for divisional support.

That said, could you have a company of them under the tank company list?

Although the errata allows it to carry an MG, it was originally designed to carry infantry as well. Could it be allowed to carry a number of riflemen as an alternative or other light support weapons?

[tanz]

i'm glad they realised that the map was incorrect, it was one of the things bugging me about the book.

[Landsknecht]

Thanks for the update.

[armchairviking]

Just noticed on the third page of the new errata the items under "IMPERIAL GERMAN ARMY 1914" refer to the British Army list. Is there something missed out that should have gone here or are there no amendments required for this list? Does anyone know?

[Tirailleur Corse]

Hi guys!
There is something historicaly completly wrong with the 1914 Frenchies.
This concerns Cavalry. The book gives lances to the Cuirassiers and don't for any other kind of horsemen.
it is just the opposite!
The Cuirassiers were the only regiments of the "metropolitan" army which did not carry lances when all other (Dragons, Chasseurs and hussards) did.
I speak about "metropolitan" horsemen as the "colonial" regiments (Chasseurs d'Afrique and Spahis) had no lances.
This lance was made either of wood or "bamboou du Tonkin".
May be can you correct this?
Cheers.
François.

[alex]

Just noticed on the third page of the new errata the items under "IMPERIAL GERMAN ARMY 1914" refer to the British Army list. Is there something missed out that should have gone here or are there no amendments required for this list? Does anyone know?

The page is wrong but the Captain on an Inf Comp should have a BS of 3+ . Don't know what they have done with my file, but forget about the Armoured Car.

Alex

[alex]

Hi guys!
There is something historicaly completly wrong with the 1914 Frenchies.
This concerns Cavalry. The book gives lances to the Cuirassiers and don't for any other kind of horsemen.
it is just the opposite!
The Cuirassiers were the only regiments of the "metropolitan" army which did not carry lances when all other (Dragons, Chasseurs and hussards) did.
I speak about "metropolitan" horsemen as the "colonial" regiments (Chasseurs d'Afrique and Spahis) had no lances.
This lance was made either of wood or "bamboou du Tonkin".
May be can you correct this?
Cheers.
François.

I think anyway that mentionning lances, swords or any equipment without special rules is a mistake.

I guess that the intent was to offer a profile for the Elite cavalry that the French had at the outbreak of the war, and as these needed a name it is Cuirassiers. I can see at least a couple of other cavalry regiments that would desserve some improved statlines, and I've used the Cuirassier profile for these.

But you're right, the lance should not appear, though I suspect based on the various accounts I've read, that most cavalry in fact did not carry it during most operations, wheter Hussards, Dragons, etc...

Thanks for the input.

cheers
Alex

[armchairviking]

Just noticed on the third page of the new errata the items under "IMPERIAL GERMAN ARMY 1914" refer to the British Army list. Is there something missed out that should have gone here or are there no amendments required for this list? Does anyone know?

The page is wrong but the Captain on an Inf Comp should have a BS of 3+ . Don't know what they have done with my file, but forget about the Armoured Car.

Alex

Okay thanks Alex

[Tirailleur Corse]

Hi again Alex!
I do share your opinion about mentioning special kind of weapon only if a special rule goes along with it.
So, why no special rules for cavalry's cold weapons?
The lance wouuld strike before the saberor the bayonet as usual .
Also, we were mentioning cuirassiers who did effectivly wear the cuirass. Will there be some special rule/profile in OTT for "armoured" soldiers?
I mention the various trench cuirass worn by Stosstruppen, Arditi and other.
Looking forward to read from you.
François.

[alex]

Lances will be taken into account in OTT though by a special trait for some cavalry instead of very detailed equipment rules.

Armoured soldiers were discussed at some point. With the exception of Cuirassiers, most of the armours did not equip whole platoons, being restricted to a small number of men. They will appear in the trench raids rules though. The real effectiveness of the cuirassiers armour still needs to be proved. I'm afraid that any rule giving a special save to Cuirassiers would have been at best anecdoctical (say 6+ in close combat at best). For the sake of simplicity it was better to just ignore it.

Arditi and Companie della Morte are another topic really and in due time (if that time comes!) they will get all their almost medieval weaponry.

[Tirailleur Corse]

Hi Alex!

I did some research this week-end about those lances.

With the excellent book of Gal René Chambe in hands ( "Adieu Cavalerie / La Marne: Bataille gagnée et Victoire perdue." 1979) it appears that most of the regiments went to war WITH their lances which were carried as long as the breakthrough of La Marne, late september 14. In fact, as long as the horsemen went mounted.
According to the book several small scale actions took place during the first weeks of the war between mounted parties, including some "close combat". Lances have been used on both side.

But the most surprising is the aftermath.
The very last large scale campaign of the french Cavalry took place in... 1918.
That was in Bulgaria where a whole division has been sent with their mounts.
They succesfully exploited the final breakthrough of te campaign and made their way to Sofia ahead of the main forces.
The interesting fact is that, at least some of those guys still carried the lances, as shown on photos of a prisonners escort party .

The interesting point is that Chambe, then a junior officer, took part to both campaigns.

I understand the thing is not so relevant for our game but I am certain that you would appreciate the info.

I do not know if you can read french and doubt if "Adieu Cavalerie!"(Goodbye Cavalry!) has ever been translated, but you can sometime find it on e-bay.

Cheers,

François.

[scarabminiatures]

I do not know if you can read french and doubt if "Adieu Cavalerie!"(Goodbye Cavalry!) has ever been translated, but you can sometime find it on e-bay.

Cheers,

François.

François- you obviously didn't know this, but Alex is French!

Thanks for the book info though, as French cavalry for the Late war are on our to do list, so thats interesting information for us.
Are there many pictures as my French is terrible, Alex and yours English puts me to shame

[Tirailleur Corse]

Obviously I am the stupid of the bunch...
Sorry Alex, I mistook you with a Godon....

There is not so many pictures unfortunatly in the edition I have.

But if you are looking about informations about the "french 1918 horseman" and the WWI frenchies in general, you should refer to the second tome of L.Mirouze "L'Armée Française dans la Première guerre Mondiale" c/o Verlag Militaria. Super expensive (100E each) but worth their price (a valuable investment for a professionnal): a true bible with hundreds of photos both from the old days and of the unique collections of the "Musée de l'Armée" in Paris (each piece of gear from the shoe brush to the bayonet, and all in colour!)

[scarabminiatures]

Obviously I am the stupid of the bunch...
Sorry Alex, I mistook you with a Godon....

There is not so many pictures unfortunatly in the edition I have.

But if you are looking about informations about the "french 1918 horseman" and the WWI frenchies in general, you should refer to the second tome of L.Mirouze "L'Armée Française dans la Première guerre Mondiale" c/o Verlag Militaria. Super expensive (100E each) but worth their price (a valuable investment for a professionnal): a true bible with hundreds of photos both from the old days and of the unique collections of the "Musée de l'Armée" in Paris (each piece of gear from the shoe brush to the bayonet, and all in colour!)

--> No its an easy thing to do, I forget Alex is French as well..

--> I have several Verlag books on the Austrian army, but not acquired the French volumes so will take a look- thank you