Figure Ban at Warhammer World

[Pendraig]

Don't you all know that "the hobby" is only about GW products - there can be only one

But I have the one ring .... oh wait is says in fine script " made by GW" (plunk into the toilet). Thanks janner now I am stuck with Christopher Lambert's bad Scottish accent stuck in my head.

[Hywel Dda]

There is a number of ways in which to deal with this crap from GW.

1. Ban 40k and fantasy battles from your club.
2. Picket GW directly, or their shops.
3. Dont buy anymore GW products.
4. Start a new religion saying your wargames figures are part of your belief system, and watch them try to ban you whilst they break the law, by stopping you.
5.Take Hostages.

Yes I know the last 2 are extreme case, but this is war gentlemen, have no doubt about that, I hate GW with a vengence. how long is it before they tell the GCN to do the same to the clubs that have joined that body, knowing my ex club SELWG is about to vote on joining this so called non affiliated to GW body goup.

Time to act gentlemen, get out there and do something, knowing I will be right behind you, albeit 5000 miles behind you.

Point 1 - talking off cutting things off - its an idiotic decision by GW - but isn't what you suggest there actually (apart from descending to their level) of course cutting off your nose to spite your face as it seems a good way of antagonising innocent 40k and WFB players (I know some pompous "I'm an historical gamer" types think that that phrase is an oxymoron and would rather have nothing to do with 40k or WFB but the truth is that many WAB players play both of course).
Btw "shame on gw, those out there buy what they can afford, never mind you will buy ours" - errrm - as pointed out, they have never made historical figures so barking up the wrong tree there completely as the motivation for this stupid action by them. Its more a reflection i think that all the historical gamers who were at the core of GW have left/been pushed out and its in the hands now of people (like so mnay in our society more widely) who have no knowledge of or interest in history at all.

[varangian]

Ok we cut their heads off then. My old man said, 'if you fly with the crows you get shot with them', thats an old Scottish saying, punish the users and be dammed with it, how would you tackle this crap then, I believe if you buy GW 40k and fantasy products your one of the problems, these people wont listen to reason, they are in it for the money and be dammed with historical is their motto.To sit back and do nothing is just playing into their hands.

All that is necessary for evil to triumph is that good men (and women) do nothing:

[James Woodward]

It's daft banning 40K/WFB from Clubs IMO

Just a public thread vowing not to buy GW (or BF products for that matter) and when its sufficently large, or not as the case may be, sent it to the HQs

[doobry]

I take it that you pay to use the facilities ,if its up front tell them you want your money back as you are not getting the expected use ,or if its per visit do'nt go if it looks as if its going to hurt financiallygw will act.
iain

[Colonel White]

Whilst I know most of you including myself are quite angry at this short sighted statement from the Evil Empire, however just banning GW figures from clubs is just dropping down to their level. I would like to think we are all mature adults and are above that sort of thing. There are plenty of alternative venues across the country for tournaments, with new ones opening up (Maelstrom hasn't been opened that long) and If GW can afford to let events go elsewhere then so be it. To me this just looks like another desperate attempt by GW to protect their slowly crumbling empire. This is another indication IMO that all is not well at GW towers. Just my views on the matter and good luck to the club concerned, I hope you can work something out.

[Axebreaker]

I've never seen a company work so hard to destroy(WAB)their own game.

Christopher

[rassilon]

Wow! I'm speechless...

[Hywel Dda]

"I believe if you buy GW 40k and fantasy products your one of the problems"

Not sure that this kind of comment is overly constructive - if you yourself are a 40k/WFB player then fair enough in that you are denying yourself something you enjoy but if you are not and its aimed at others who do play 40k and WFB (and indeed WAB) - well thats not really on - see similar comments on TMP re Foundry where those who buy their models are described as elitists, creating problems for other gamers etc - overall interesting thought but I don't see much support for it

[paul19]

Matt Shaw (Chairman 1st Company Veterans) and myself met with a representative from Games Workshop this evening (03/03/11). As representatives of our club we presented our case and it has been agreed that Warhammer Historical games played during 1st Company Veterans club time (i.e. Thursday 6pm-10pm) will be exempt for the non-GW figure ban.

Understandably we are mightily relieved and grateful to GW, firstly for agreeing to talk to us and secondly for accepting our appeal.

There are caviats to this agreement which means we must stick to the rules with regards to only playing GW published games. We must insist that our members do not to play any non-GW games or 'pretend' to play a GW game when actually playing a non-GW game.

We have had a reprieve here, please let's not throw it away.

Thankyou to everyone for their support.

Regards

Paul
Events Co-ordinator
1st Company Veterans

[Hywel Dda]

Matt Shaw (Chairman 1st Company Veterans) and myself met with a representative from Games Workshop this evening (03/03/11). As representatives of our club we presented our case and it has been agreed that Warhammer Historical games played during 1st Company Veterans club time (i.e. Thursday 6pm-10pm) will be exempt for the non-GW figure ban.

Understandably we are mightily relieved and grateful to GW, firstly for agreeing to talk to us and secondly for accepting our appeal.

There are caviats to this agreement which means we must stick to the rules with regards to only playing GW published games. We must insist that our members do not to play any non-GW games or 'pretend' to play a GW game when actually playing a non-GW game.

We have had a reprieve here, please let's not throw it away.

Thankyou to everyone for their support.

Regards

Paul
Events Co-ordinator
1st Company Veterans

Call my cynical but I suspect you will be battered verbally by some here for using the phrase "grateful to GW......" - whilst I have commented negaitvely on silly ideas of boycotts, not sure that it should quite be that it should be a matter of being grateful that GW should even deign to talk to a group of gamers when to be honest its GW's pretty unreasonable action in the first place that led to this.

[James Woodward]

Well done Matt/Paul.

As many have said, their [GW] place their rules. I play too many other systems though (and have the figures) to stick to WAB/ECW week in week out, but on the odd occasion when i'm down that's what i'll be doing.

Ohh and a bit of BB

James

[stuartmcc]

Well done to Paul and the Vets.

[paul19]

Ok Hywel Dda you're cynical I was taught that a little civility goes along way, as it happens I am grateful that the Club I've put 5 years work into has got the result we were after and I'm not ashamed to say it. If I get some stick from some quarters, I've got very big shoulders I won't be losing any sleep over it!

[Colonel White]

If deep down you are not happy about the situation (I suspect this could be an uneasy relationship) at the very least it does buy you some time to look around for alternative premises. I am assuming that this situation will be discussed with the membership at the next possible meeting .I personally think there are too many strings attached for this relationship to last.
Just my thoughts

[James Woodward]

WAB etc is becoming more and more marginalised in the Historical Community, or at least in my gaming circle(s). Primarily, IMO, because of the lack of support from FW which then means that players, such as myself, are looking further afield for rules/eras

[John Grant]

I didn't think I would ever leave mainstream WAB for other periods but am in the middle of a Sudan building phase. Must say I am thoroughly enjoying myself. A whole new era to research, buy books and make outposts etc. Terrain will be the next step and then onto some gaming.
John

[James Woodward]

I didn't think I would ever leave mainstream WAB for other periods but am in the middle of a Sudan building phase. Must say I am thoroughly enjoying myself. A whole new era to research, buy books and make outposts etc. Terrain will be the next step and then onto some gaming.
John

Which is my point John.

If WAB had been better supported then we probably wouldn't have gone down the Colonial route and everything else we've done recently. As it is, i've invested too much time [aye and cash] in Napoleonics (15mm and 28mm), SCW, WW2 28mm and now 28mm Colonials with LaSalle, Black Powder, DH, Impetus, Darkest Africa & S&tF for WAB now to be more than a minor part of my gaming [at Lenton].

I played Tommy last Thurs - Greeks v Carthage. It was Ok, we had a laugh. Greek Hoplite armies are almost unplayable now but hey-ho [yes, that would be for me now to find a way to make them work but having lots of light troops wasn't how i themed the army and i'm not about to invest and more time/money in them to find out]

[Hywel Dda]

Ultimately it is GW's place I guess and I do also agree that the agreement sounds like it has more strings than a harp - sadly I guess it next will be prohibitions on certain companies figures who might be competitors to GW in the rules arena- esp given that for instance that Warlord are more or less GW in Exile. Whilst lack of support for WAB is disappointing it won't really stop me playing - am not overly enthused as yet re BP - and periods like WHECW have had no real updates ever AFAIK without it majorly undermining playing of the rules. At a purely personal level i find the idea of some sort of GW Field Police patrolling the gaming tables to check on what people are playing "put the quick reference sheet down - DO IT NOW - step away from the table - SLOWLY - show me your army list" to be quite offensive really - esp when I imagine that said Gendarme would likely know nothing at all about historical gaming (as per my experience at a local Indy store where the lad when I said I played Saxons & Romans looked at me with a "who the heck are they meant to be" look)

[rassilon]

"There are caviats to this agreement which means we must stick to the rules with regards to only playing GW published games. We must insist that our members do not to play any non-GW games or 'pretend' to play a GW game when actually playing a non-GW game."

Speaking of civility, this seems to imply they are making an assumption that your club members might pretend to use non-GW rules and lie about it. Insulting. I think I would have walked after that one.

Also, I am curious, what if players are using variants of GW rules? 40k WWII, Great War Colonials etc... ?

Geesh...